Saturday, August 15, 2009

Christian at PCC-- Another life saved!!!!!

(Pictured here: JFA team, mission trip participants, and volunteers)



Christian said that he and his pregnant girlfriend had been considering abortion because he is a freshman in college and his girlfriend is a senior in high school. Last week they decided not to have an abortion. When he lost his job a few days ago, he began considering abortion again… until he walked onto campus and “saw what it was.” He and his girlfriend decided not to have an abortion.
I told him about pregnancy resource centers and all of the help that they offer and he got the biggest smile on his face- “This is so great! I don’t have to worry anymore!” Christian said that he plans to send JFA a picture of the baby when he or she is born.
Christian's response card:

PCC Response Card- Tyler

I had just finished a lot of intense conversations and was about to take a break for a few minutes. I was walking to the bathroom and a couple sitting on the stairs called out to me...

Tyler: Hey, are you with that thing? What about rape?

I almost laughed to myself at the irony. I can't even go to the bathroom without someone stopping me to discuss abortion...

Me: Yes, I'm with Justice For All. Do you mean what do I think about abortion when the woman was raped and got pregnant?
Tyler: Yes, my girlfriend and I were sitting here discussing it and we wondered how you guys respond to that.
Me: Hmm. I think that rape is a serious crime. I think that rapists should be prosecuted. A woman who has just been raped has had an extremely violent act committed against her. Would it take away the rape if she committed another violent act?
Catherine (Tyler's GF): No, but then she wouldn't have to look at her child and see that rapist's face all the time.
Me: That's true. But, if you reminded me of someone I hated, even for a good reason like rape, could I kill you?
Catherine: No.
Me: Women who have been raped are in a vulnerable position. They probably don't trust a lot of people. If we are going to "help" them, shouldn't we really help them? If we offer abortion as the solution, we haven't really helped them at all. They were still the victim of rape and now someone has killed their child. That seems like an even worse predicament.
Tyler: Ok, well I don't know how people can justify abortion for rape then.
Catherine: Thanks for answering our question.

Tyler filled out this response card. Then I left.
When we were taking down the Exhibit, Tyler came back over to me.

Tyler: Hey, we have another question.
Me: Ok, I'll be right there. :)

(I grabbed a few Exhibit brochures and met them back at the stairs)

Catherine: What about life of the mother?

I responded to each of their questions, then I asked, "would it be helpful if I just gave you a quick overview of the information from our exhibit?" They eagerly agreed. They seemed like they were really interested to learn about it.

They asked lots and lots of questions and I asked them questions as well--to help them sort out their views. At the end Tyler said that he was against abortion after 3 weeks (Most girls find out that they are pregnant at about 5 wks LMP). Catherine also said that she could not think of one justifiable reason to get an abortion.

PCC Response Card- Tara

Tara: I went to Catholic school and I was taught both sides of this issue. But, now I'm pro-choice.
Me: Why did you become pro-choice?
Tara: I guess that when I got smarter and more educated I just learned to throw away the religious propaganda.
Me: Hmm...so are you OK with all abortions now? Including Partial Birth Abortion?
Tara: Yeah, it's a woman's choice.
Me: Do you think that that abortion kills a human being?
Tara: Yeah, I know it is killing a human. But, I don't care.
Me: Hmm...it sounds like you might have thrown out your compassion for others, too...

PCC Response Card- Russ

I saw a man put this on the Free Speech Board...


His suggestions for what to do with unwanted fetuses: make fetus sushi, fetus snow globes, fetus sculptures.
Me: I saw what you put on the free speech board... looks like you put a lot of time into creating that...why'd you do that?
Russ: Because you guys put up this art, so I created some art of my own.
Me: You think that pictures of dismembered fetuses is art?
Russ: Yes.
Me: Wow. Do you want me to take you seriously?
Russ: haha
Me: Are you on staff here? Are you faculty?
Russ: Yes, I'm a professor.
Me: What do you teach?
Russ: Biology.
Me: Wow...really?...So what do you think of this bio-ethics display?
Russ: I am also an artist and I look at this more from an art perspective.

Right then one of Russ' fellow staff members came up...

Sam: I have a question for you. I see that there are coins next to these aborted fetuses. How do they get the coins into the wombs? Hahahaha
Russ: Good one!

Me: So you guys are both faculty here?
Sam: Yep!
Me: OK, well thank you for coming by the exhibit.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Ray

Me: What do you think about this?
Ray: I think that it's wrong, but we shouldn't impose our morals.
Me: Why do you think it is wrong?
Ray: Because it is killing an innocent person.
Me: So, why do you think we should allow others to "kill innocent people"?
Ray: I am a campus preacher. The Bible says to have nothing to do with this kind of stuff.
Me: Do you mean have nothing to do with abortion?
Ray: No arguing about it.
Me: Do you mean 2 Timothy 2:23 where it says have nothing to do with foolish and stupid arguments?
Ray: Yes!
Me: OK. Would you say that this is a foolish and stupid argument?
Ray: I don't know. I guess. There are more important things to worry about.
Me: Ray, I think that as a Christian, you have a responsibility to care about the things that God cares about. He created these people. Over 3,000 are being killed everyday in America. To me, that sounds much more like a serious problem, than a stupid argument. The Bible says (Prov. 31:8) to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves.

Ray: You are a really good listener. You listened and met me exactly where I am. You are just the right person to be out here.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Miguel

Miguel: What about the woman's life?
Me: Do you mean her actual life, her health, or her right to privacy?
Miguel: Her actual life. What if she will die if she doesn't get an abortion?
Me: Do you know of cases like that?
Miguel: No, but I know there are some.
Me: Well, yes...have you heard of an ectopic pregnancy?
Miguel: No.
Me: In an ectopic pregnancy, the embryo implants in the fallopian tube instead of the uterus and it can't develop there or it will rupture the tube and both the mother and the embryo will die. With current technology, we don't have a way to save that embryo, so we recommend removing it so that one life will be saved as opposed to both dying.
Miguel: Hmm
Me: Some doctors recommend abortion when it is not the only option. It seems to me that if a doctor does not want a high-risk pregnancy patient and recommends abortion, he must not be a very good doctor. If this happened to me, I would look for a better doctor whose solution was not to just kill the baby.

We talked about many other things as well, but I can't understand all of my notes that I wrote down about this conversation.

Miguel: I still hate this display, but this was such a great conversation!

Pasadena City College Response Card- Michael

I gave Michael a tour of the exhibit.

Michael: I didn't know any of this!

Pasadena City College Response Card- Mark

Mark: I'm pro-choice.
Me: Why?
Mark: Women should be allowed to choose.
Me: Why?
Mark: Hmm...I don't know.
Me: Should a woman be allowed to choose to kill her 2-year-old?
Mark: No, it's born.
Me: Does the child's location change its value? Is the child any different when it is about to be born, being born, or already born?
Mark: Good question!
Me: Um thanks.
Mark: My answer is no. I know that it doesn't make sense to believe this.
Me: Well, you don't have to...
Mark: I do though! I guess I just have to draw the line at birth. Women need options.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Leslie

Leslie was sitting with 4 guys. I was walking from our 3-by-1 exhibit on one part of campus up to the the mini exhibit. As I walked by, I overheard someone say, "those anti-abortion people don't even consider rape."

Me: Hey, sorry to butt in but I overheard you guys commenting about the exhibit and I am working with them. Did you have any questions?
H: Yeah, what about rape?
Me: I think rape is horrible. I think that rapists should be prosecuted. But, if you are asking should we offer abortion as a good solution to a woman who has been raped, I would ask if abortion is a good option. A woman who has been raped has had a violent act committed against her. Would committing another violent act take away the rape?
H: No, but then she doesn't have to look at someone that she hates.
Me: If you reminded me of someone I hated, could I kill you? Also, if she doesn't ever want to see it, she can give it up for adoption.
F: Yeah, but it's still her choice.
Me: Why should women have that choice? Should women have the choice to kill their newborns?
F: No. It's ok until it's born.
Me: Why isn't it ok once it's born?
F: It's out of her body.
Me: Does the location change who the child is?
F: No.
H: But, women need rights!
Me: I agree! I love having the right to vote, etc. But, why do women need this right?
H: It really doesn't matter because morals are all relative.
Me: There are no absolute truths?
H: Correct.
Me: Well, you saying that there are no absolute truths is an absolute statement.
H: I don't think so. I could be wrong.
Me: Do you think that rape is wrong or is that relative?
H: Rape is wrong.
Me: OK, so there are some absolutes.
H: hmm...Ok. Well you listened to our reasons. WHy are YOU against abortion?
Me: Well, the unborn are growing, so they must be alive. They have human parents, so they must be human. And, I think that human beings, like you and me, have value. Abortion harms people. It definitely harms the unborn child, because it kills the child. But, it also harms men and women. I have talked to many people who regretted abortion. I have spoken with women who said that abortion made them sterile, ruined their emotional life, ruined their relationships, etc. I think that if we are going to give people options, they should be good options and I do not believe that abortion is a good option for anyone.
L: Well, that makes sense. Thanks for being so respectful. I didn't expect you guys to be normal people.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Kelly

Kelly wrote on the free speech board:
How many dead babies does it take to paint a a wall red? Depends how hard you throw them.

Me: Hey I saw the dead baby joke you wrote on the free speech board. A lot of people are taking this issue really seriously, what makes this such a joke to you?
Kelly: This is offensive, so I can be offensive too.
Me: Hmm..well I understand that this is not something that people want to look at and it can make people angry...
Kelly: That's not what I said. I said it's offensive!
Me: Oh, I apologize. What did you mean by offensive?
Kelly: This is gross and it doesn't solve anything.
Me: So, you mean that it is not helpful?
Kelly: It should be the woman's choice.
Me: Where do you think that her choice should be limited? Do you think that she should have the choice to kill her newborn?
Kelly: No.
Me: Ok, why should she have the choice to have an abortion but not have the choice to kill her newborn?
Kelly: Because it's her choice.
Me: Yes, but there are limitations on that choice. Which limitation is significant to you? Is abortion ok because it is legal or because the baby is in a different environment or some other reason?
Kelly: It's ok because it is her choice.
Me: Yes, but what is that choice?
Kelly: Her choice.


This seemed to be a trend at PCC. Many students simply repeated "Choice" over and over.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Karine


Karine was leaning over to sign "yes" to the poll, "Should Abortion Remain Legal?"

Me: Do you think it should be legal through all 9 months?
Karine: Huh?
Me: What do you think about partial birth abortion? (Showed fetal development chart)
Karine: Let me see that brochure!

gave tour

Karine: This is wrong!

Pasadena City College Response Card- Joseph

Joseph: What is this about?
Me: Abortion...what do you think about it?
Joseph: I don't know.
Me: Have you seen pictures like this before?
Joseph: No. Can I have one of those? (pointing to Exhibit brochure)
Me: Sure. Would you like a tour of the exhibit?
Joseph: Yes.

gave tour

Joseph: This changed my mind. I wasn't really OK with abortion before. Like, I don't think I would have gotten one, but now I'm AGAINST it.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Jesse

We got into a big loop with this conversation...

Jesse: It's ok to kill them while they are in the womb.
Me: But, you are against 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions while they are in the womb..
Jesse: Yes, but they are more developed.
Me: A newborn is less developed than a teenager. They are all just stages of development; why do they matter? Is it ok to kill a newborn who is less developed than a teenager?
Jesse: No, because they are outside the womb.
Me: We've already addressed that. The womb is irrelevant because you wouldn't allow killing others for being in the womb. The level of development is irrelevant because you wouldn't kill others for being less developed.
Jesse: Hmm, I know that my thinking isn't very good about this.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Jacqueline

Jacqueline: My best friend had an abortion when she was 16 (5 years ago). She is still really hurting.
Me: Have you heard of post-abortion counseling?
Jacqueline: She won't go. She's too ashamed. I don't know how I can help.
Me: Hmm, well maybe you could read one of the books that they read in the post-abortion counseling. I'm sure that that would be more helpful than nothing. You could just let you friend know what you find out, or maybe you could read it together. Or, you could just give it to her.
Jacqueline: I am definitely going to do that. Thanks for the idea!
Me: I hope it helps her!

Pasadena City College Response Card- David

David: We've had pro-life groups come here before. They were shouting and calling people murderers. You guys are not like them. You're actually friendly.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Daniela


I gave Daniela a tour of the exhibit.

Daniela: Wow. I've never really had an opinion about this. But, this is wrong!

Pasadena City College Response Card- Clayton



* Name Changed

Clayton*: (Shouting jokingly to a crowd) Abortion should be legal, otherwise I'd have to stop having sex and I'm not doing that!
Me: (talking to him away from the crowd) Do you mean that abortion should stay legal because then you can have sex anytime and if the girl gets pregnant, she can just have an abortion?
Clayton: Yeah!
Me: Hmm...do you think that abortion is an easy thing to go through?
Clayton: ...No.
Me: Do you know anyone who has had an abortion?
Clayton: Yeah I got my last girl pregnant and she got an abortion. She is having that post-abortion stuff.
Me: What post-abortion stuff?
Clayton: Ya know, she cried all the time and regrets it. It's been a month and she still won't get over it.
Me: Have you heard about post-abortion counseling?
Clayton: Yeah, she's already doing some. She did the pill abortion and had an allergic reaction so the doctor thinks it might not have worked.
Me: How do you feel about that?
Clayton: I think she might just be tricking me to try to get me to get back together with her. I've had other girls get pregnant before, but they just got abortions. I have a crazy lifestyle. The first girl got pregnant right before I moved. I would not have been able to father that child. The next girl I got pregnant with twins. She was starting to show when she had the abortion.
Me: Wow, it sounds like you've had a lot of experience with abortion.
Clayton: Yeah, but it was the right decision for each situation.
Me: Is it hard for you to look at these pictures?
Clayton: Yes.
Me: Why?
Clayton: Well, because that's what we did to our child.
Me: Do you know what you would do if you got another girl pregnant?
Clayton: It's her decision, but I don't want to pay child support.
Me: There are some resources that may be helpful to you. There is free post-abortion counseling for men if you ever want to talk to someone about it. There are also pregnancy centers that offer free pregnancy tests. If you are ever faced with an unplanned pregnancy, they offer resources like diapers, clothes, formula, etc.

Clayton filled out the response card and checked the box that said "I want to help. Please contact me." Usually people check that box when they want to volunteer with JFA in the future...

Me: Clayton, why did you check this box.
Clayton: Because I want help. (apparently he misread it) Will you send me more resources?
Me: Sure! I'll email you!



Clayton also came back the next day and we talked more. His attitude changed from joking indifference to great concern. He wanted help, healing, and change.
Some of the resources that I sent him:
FatherhoodForever.org

Pasadena City College Response Card- Christa

First impressions can be misleading....

Christa was wearing a bandanna covered in skulls. Her body was covered in tattoos. I approached her and asked what she thought about the exhibit.

She asked how she could help spread the message and I walked her through the exhibit. Christa said that she would like to support the organization financially so JFA can continue to go to college campuses.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Cameron

Cameron: (joking loudly) We should just chop them up before they come out!
Me: Should we chop them up after they come out?
Cameron: That's just crazy.
Me: How is it any less crazy to do chop them up right before they come out?
Cameron: I don't think they should do it right before it comes out.
Me: OK. Where do you draw the line? (showed fetal development chart)
Cameron: 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions are not OK.
Me: What about once it has a heartbeat?
Cameron: I don't want to stop a heartbeat. It shouldn't be allowed when it has a heartbeat.
Me: Well it has a heartbeat at 3 weeks. Most women do not find out that they are pregnant until about this time.
Cameron: Hmm, well then I guess we should let them stop the heartbeat. People need options.
Me: Why should anyone have the option to kill her child?
Cameron: Well, it's in her womb.
Me: Yes, but so is the 3rd trimester fetus, and you said it is wrong to kill that one. So, isn't the baby's location irrelevant?
Cameron: Yeah..I know it's wrong, but I'm not in the situation. I don't know what I would do if I were actually in that situation.
Me: There is some decisions that you need to make in advance. If you know that abortion is not a good option, you can make the decision not to have one if you are ever faced with that decision.
Cameron: If I got a girl pregnant, I would not have an abortion.


Cameron came by all 3 days that we were on campus and said hi to me and listened to some of the conversations. He even brought a few of his post-abortion friends by to get help.


Pasadena City College Response Card


I'm always glad to see that people feel that we are polite. Abortion is a difficult issue to discuss and I want to always be humble and loving in my approach.

Pasadena City College Response Card- Armstead



Armstead and his girlfriend already had an 18 month old. She got pregnant again and decided to have an abortion. Armstead wanted to keep the child. He tried to convince her not to abort their child, but she did. He was very angry. At first I just stood there and listened while he vented his frustrations.

Armstead: She said she was Catholic. What a hypocrite! We could handle another child; we already had one! Why didn't I get any say in it?!
Me: Armstead, I am so sorry that you went through that. It isn't fair that you had no say in what happened to your child.

We talked for a while and Armstead was interested in finding information on healing for men. I gave him the information about the website FatherhoodForever.org

Armstead: I appreciate this so much. You don't understand how much you have helped me.


Pasadena City College Response Card- David

David: This is not what abortion looks like!
Me: Do you think abortion looks better or worse than these pictures?
David: These look like people! They don't have abortions when they look like people!
Me: Well, every abortion shown on this display is still legal. This (pointing to panel 4) is a first trimester abortion. An embryo has a heartbeat at 3 weeks.
David: Whoa! This is wrong!
Me: What is?
David: Abortion is wrong! I was so mistaken before!
Me: Why do you think it is wrong now?
David: It looks like a human.
Me: If it didn't look like a human, would it not be a human?
David: No, I guess it's always wrong... I am a democrat, so I always agree with democrats on everything, but I cannot do that with this issue. I need to talk to my dad!
Me: About what?
David: We thought it wasn't a human. I need to show this to him.

Pasadena City College Response Card


All that I wrote down on this card was...

"She was pro-choice. Now, she is pro-life. Great conversation."

haha sometimes my notes are not super helpful.

Thoughts about the University of Colorado

We went to Colorado in April and it was CRAZY!

We trained students at The Focus on the Family Institute and many of them were hesitant about the graphic pictures approach, but after having great discussions on campus, many changed their opinions.

I have never had anyone yell at me as much as I did the second day in CO. I stood there for what felt like hours while a beautiful girl yelled and yelled and yelled at me. I tried to show sympathy on my face, but I never got a chance to say anything to her. But, after she stormed away. I went with one of the FFI girls and we prayed for her. Please take a moment to pray for her RIGHT NOW. Thanks.

Out of the first 5 girls that I talked to on campus in Colorado, 4 of them were post-abortive. I was shocked at how many people there had gotten abortions. I was able to connect many of them with a great woman at the crisis pregnancy center table for post-abortive counseling.

Another shock at UC Boulder was the common notion that there was nothing wrong with late term abortions. On most campuses, we can build common ground with people on this issue--most people think it is wrong to kill a baby as it is coming out or right before it comes out. This was not the case in CO. Many people told me that they thought it should be allowed anytime as long as it was legal. They even told me that it would be permissible to kill infants if that was legal, because the infant wouldn't know any better. I assume that their acceptance of late-term abortion was partially because there is a well known Late-term abortionist (Warren Hern) who provides abortions less than one mile from the Boulder campus.

There were several very neat moments for me where I was talking to someone and they said, "Wow, I've never thought of that!" And I thought, "Me neither!" I felt like God gave me the specific words to use several times and I was amazed. (That was one of my prayer requests and I definitely saw it fulfilled! Thanks for praying!)

We had to take the Exhibit down a little early the last day because of the extreme weather (HAIL!) I don't know if I've ever been that cold in my life. I went inside the school between conversations sometimes to "thaw out." But, I had some very powerful conversations that day in the freezing rain. I talked to some very pro-choice people who, after seeing and hearing the truth about abortion, decided that abortion was killing innocent human beings, and they were against it.

There has not been a single campus where I left and thought, "Well, that was a waste of time!" There are so many people who pray for each outreach and God is faithful to use any time that we dedicate to Him to change hearts and save lives. Thanks for praying for these outreaches. Your prayers make a difference.

Thursday, June 25, 2009

University of Colorado Response Card- Basil


Basil: I think it should be allowed through all 9 months.
Me: What about partial birth abortion?
Basil: What's that?
(I described the procedure.)
Basil: That's not OK. Abortion should not be allowed after the child can feel pain. When is that?
Me: Well, the general consensus is that they can feel pain around 20 weeks. Some say that they can feel pain as early as 14 weeks.
Basil: Well once it can feel pain, it's wrong.
Me: What if it could never feel pain? Does our ability to feel pain give us value?
Basil: Well, no. But I would feel bad about hurting someone if they could feel it.
Me: Would you feel bad about hurting someone if they couldn't feel it?
Basil: That's a good question. Yes, I probably would.
Me: Have you heard of Conner's Law?
Basil: Yeah, from the Lacy Peterson case...
Me: So why is it considered a double homicide if someone kills a pregnant woman, but if a woman has an abortion, it's just tissue removal?
Basil: Good point..God created it, so when it has a soul, we shouldn't kill it. When does it get a soul?
Me: Well, the problem that I see with choosing when abortion should be legal based on when WE think it has a soul, is that opinions differ. Some religions believe that the soul enters at 14 weeks. Others believe it is there from the beginning. You said that you believe that God created the unborn. What do you believe about God?
Basil: What do you mean?
Me: Well, since you believe that God created these people, do you think God would want you to kill people that he created?
Basil: I'm a Methodist. I think it all depends on when it has a soul. OK pretend that you had a pair of jeans...
Me: Ok.
Basil: But then you didn't have a pair of jeans..
Me: Ok so I don't have pants...
Basil: Well, let's say that you never bought them. But you would have...but since you didn't, someone else bought them. So you didn't even know you were missing anything, because you never had it in the first place...like a soul.
Me: So, you are just looking for an answer about when a human has a soul?
Basil: Yeah, I guess that's what I'm wondering.
Me: What do you believe about the Bible?
Basil: What do you mean?
Me: Do you believe that the Bible is true? Like if there was an answer in there, would that settle it for you?
Basil: I think it would. Are there any verses like that?

(Well right then, God sent Dale walking by...)
Me: (to Dale) Hey, what's the reference for the verse, "Before I formed you in the womb..."
Dale: Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.
Me: Thanks!

Me: Also, David said in Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
Basil: So God created people. I get that.
Me: So why do you think He created the soul at a different time?
Basil: hmm, I don't know why...This has given me so many things to think about. I wish I could continue this conversation but I really have to go to the bathroom! (we had been talking for about 2 hours)
Me: That's OK. Here's a copy of the Exhibit brochure. There might be answers to some of your questions in there. Also, you are welcome to email me or any of our staff with other questions that you think of later.
Basil: Thanks for doing this. I have really enjoyed this. This conversation was so fantastic.

University of Colorado- Several Stories

These are the Focus on the Family Institute Students who we trained in Colorado. We took them onto campus with us and they did a great job!



My first conversation at UC Boulder: An older man who looked like a professor walked by the exhibit and said to me, "I wish I could just tear this whole thing down. You are horrible people." I said, "Well, I'd love to talk to you, or you are welcome to write a comment on the free speech board." He said he would consider it and started to walk away. Then, he turned back toward the board and asked for a marker. I wasn't even finished setting up the board yet, so I had to run grab a marker for him. He was standing there looking at the board (I assume trying to figure out what he was going to write) and I asked him, "What bothers you so much about this exhibit?"
Jeffrey: It is so graphic!
Me: Yeah, it definitely is. I hate to look at it.
Jeffrey: You do?! Well, me too! This is really just trying to scare people out of having sex.
Me: What makes you say that?
Jeffrey: That's your goal.
Me: Do you think that we care about abortion?
Jeffrey: I guess. But this is a horrible way to make your point. Last time you guys came, girls were coming into my classes crying. These images are raping them.
Me: I'm sorry that these images are painful for people to look at. But, do you think it might be hard to look at because we realize it is an injustice?
Jeffrey: That could be.
(We talked for quite a while. Then Jeffrey said he had to go teach. He asked for a copy of the exhibit brochure.)
Jeffrey: I hate this Exhibit and what you guys do, but I really enjoyed our conversation and I guess we wouldn't have had it without this.

A few girls were doing an assignment for their communications class where they were told to analyze the Exhibit and see if they thought it was effective. One of them said, "We thought you guys would be a bunch of crazies, but you are totally chill. I actually really like this. It has caused a lot of discussion."

Hillary was signing "yes" to the poll, "should abortion remain legal?"
Me: Do you mean through all 9 months?
Hillary: No, only first trimester. I'm against killing babies, but sometimes you have to.
Me: Sometimes you have to kill babies? Do you know anyone who's had an abortion?
Hillary: I have.
Me: You have known someone, or you have had an abortion?
Hillary: I had one. But it was a long time ago, in October.
Me: How are you doing?
Hillary: Fine. I know it was the best decision. I'm in school. If I hadn't had the abortion, I would be having a baby in a month!
(I talked to her about possible symptoms of PAS that she might experience and offered to walk with her to talk to another woman who had had an abortion- at the pregnancy center table. She declined and said that she was fine but thanked me for the information.)

A girl wearing a St. John's shirt yelled to me, "You are a disgrace to Catholicism."
Me: How so?
Girl: Because you are out here with this.
Me: What does that have to do with Catholicism?
Girl: You are Catholic.
Me: No, I'm not...
Girl: Then why are you out here?!
Me: Because I believe that all human beings are valuable.
Girl: I don't understand you people.

There was a pro-life group on campus that did not want us to come. But, other pro-life students started a group to bring us. I spoke with a girl from the group that did not want us there.
Girl: How did you guys get here?
Me: The other pro-life group invited us.
Girl: What?! They are like encroaching on our territory. You guys asked us first.
Me: Yes, and you said no...I can understand that you did not want to be associated with this, but is it such a bad thing that another group was willing to step up and make an impact?
Girl: WE are the pro-life club though. We don't need another one.
Me: Well, there were a lot of people who needed to see this. I've talked to several people today who changed their minds and they said they had never seen these pictures. They would not have seen them if the group had not brought us. But maybe, you guys could join together or something.

Kate was the most angry person I've ever spoken to on any campus. She made personal attacks whenever possible and yelled loud enough for people quite a distance away to hear. We had a crowd of about 10 people listening to this conversation:
Kate: This is all false information!
Me: What do you mean?
Kate: Abortion is not allowed after first trimester!
Me: Actually, it is legal through all 9 months. There is even a doctor just minutes from here who does late-term abortions.
Kate: That's not true. Check your facts, you liars.
Me: If it were true, would it bother you?
Kate: WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT YOU PEOPLE BROUGHT THIS HORRIBLE BILLBOARD. WHAT ABOUT WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD ABORTIONS AND IT WAS HORRIBLE AND IT WAS THE HARDEST DECISION OF THEIR LIVES AND YOU GUYS ARE CALLING THEM STUPID BIMBOS. YOU ARE MAKING THEM RELIVE EVERY SECOND OF THAT HORRIBLE TIME IN THEIR LIVES. HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT? YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL GUILTY. I HAVEN'T HAD AN ABORTION, BUT IF I GOT PREGNANT, I WOULD. THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR A BABY. YOU ARE SUCH HORRIBLE PEOPLE FOR DOING THIS. YOU RUINED MY DAY.
Me: I'm sor..
Kate: No you're not! One of my friends wanted an abortion and they would not let her get one. It was horrible for her.
Me: So, she has a child now?
Kate: ...um... yeah.. and she hates him!
Me: Hmm.
Kate: I hate you.
Me: I know that this is upsetting and I completely understand you hating me.
Kate: No, you don't understand how much I hate you.
(The "conversation" continued about like this the whole time. Kate yelled at me and I listened. I've never seen anyone so angry before. I've also never felt so hated. I never got to really talk to Kate about it. She stormed off after yelling for a LONG time. I asked one of the girls we trained at Focus on the Family to come inside with me and pray for Kate. I don't know if we'll ever know any results, but I know that God is faithful and he will continue to knock on Kate's heart. Please pray for her.

Jon and a girl named Melissa had been talking for a while in the freezing cold rain. He had an umbrella and she was wearing a hoodie. It finally got to a point in their conversation where she said, "no offense, but you can't really have an opinion, you're a guy." So, I decided to walk over and listen closer, maybe even participate...
I walked over and held an umbrella over Melissa. She seemed really touched.
Melissa: Thank you so much!
Me: You're welcome.
Melissa: (to Jon again) This is a women's issue and I have studied it a lot. We can all have our own opinions. I won't judge you for yours and you don't have to worry about mine.
Jon and Melissa talked for a little while longer and she brought up Women's Studies as her major.
Jon excused himself from the conversation to do something else and I asked Melissa what she had learned from those studies.
Melissa: People are always trying to keep women down. This is one of our few rights that we have gained and now they want to take it away.
Me: I took several Women's studies classes, too. I thought it was interesting how we as women often allow ourselves to be oppressed, like with the beauty myth (a women's studies term for women trying to earn achievement through their looks and then being treated like they are only valuable if they are attractive).
Melissa: Yeah.
Me: I want women to have the best options. Could this be another way that women are actually allowing themselves to be hurt?
Melissa: How so?
Me: Well, there are a lot side effects- both physical and emotional.
Melissa: Yeah, my friend had an abortion and she was sick for a little while.
Me: How is she doing?
Melissa: She is doing OK. Thank you so much for asking.
Me: How long ago was it?
Melissa: 2 years. We were in the sorority house and I was the only one who stayed her while she was in pain.
Me: Melissa, I am glad you were there for her afterward.
Melissa: Yeah, but she's fine now.
Me: There was a girl who came by today and told us that her friend had been raped by her boyfriend and her parents forced her to get an abortion even though she didn't want to. She became very depressed and stopped answering phone calls. She committed suicide two weeks ago. Many women who have had abortions feel guilt or depression. Some have trouble sleeping. It is important to really be aware of these symptoms so that if you see your friend experiencing any of them, you can help her. She might not even realize that the symptoms correlate with her abortion.
Melissa took the information about symptoms and the information for the pregnancy resource center's post abortion counseling. She thanked me several times.

University of Colorado- Mike

Mike: You don't care about children once they are born!
Me: Do you mean you as in pro-life people or me?
Mike: Both!
Me: Ok, I can understand that it would be frustrating to see inconsistency like that. But even if not a single pro-life person helped those children, would that justify killing them?
Mike: I don't know but why don't any of them help people? What are you personally doing to help?
Me: I am trying to help people to understand abortion so that they won't hurt themselves or their children.
Mike: That's not enough. You hate children.
Right then, Genevieve Kulas (3 years old) came up and hugged me.
Genevieve: I love you Lauren!
Me: I love you too, Genevieve.
Mike laughed at the irony.

University of Colorado Response Card- Seth


Seth: Morals are relative. We can't say that anything is wrong.
Me: Child abuse?
Seth: Some cultures think that is OK.
Me: Rape?
Seth: How do we know they don't like it?
Me: That's not rape.
Seth: I'm Jewish.
Me: OK...does that impact your belief about abortion?
Seth: I don't know.

University of Colorado Response Card- Laura


Laura wrote on the poll, "the woman's life is more important."

Me: Do you mean that abortion should only be allowed if having a child would kill the mother?
Laura: No, I mean that she should have the choice, regardless of reason.
Me: So it's not so much that the woman's life is more important, but her privacy?
Laura: No, her life is more important. She should have the right to do whatever she wants without interference.
Me: So, it is a private matter?
Laura: Yes.
Me: Have you ever heard of Conner's law?
Laura: Is that the one that says that if you kill a pregnant woman, it's a double homicide?
Me: Yes. Well I was thinking about it...what if during the abortion, the abortionist killed both the child and the mother? Should that be considered a double homicide?
Laura: No, there is no criminal intent.
Me: How would you define criminal intent?
Laura: Purposely killing someone.
Me: Would you say that the abortionist purposely killed the child?
Laura: Well, no.
Me: Do you think it is an accident that the child starts out alive and is dead at the end of the procedure?
Laura: Wow, that's really interesting.
Me: What is?
Laura: I've never thought about it as a doctor killing someone.

University of Colorado Response Card- Kyle


I asked Kyle how he would recommend showing the other side, but he didn't have any ideas.

If we are protesting an injustice in society, why do we need to present the side that says we should continue with the status quo and not worry about it?

University of Colorado Response Card- Katy

Me: Hey I saw that you signed the poll that abortion should remain legal. Did you mean through all nine months?
Katy: Yes, it's the woman's choice. It's situational.
Me: What about partial birth abortion?
Katy: It's her choice.
Me: So a woman should be allowed to choose to kill her child if it is partially born?
Katy: Yes.
Me: Do you think a woman should be allowed to choose to kill her newborn baby?
Katy: No.
Me: What about if it is still connected by the umbilical cord?
Katy: Hmm, no that is also born.
Me: What about a child that was all the way born except one foot was not out yet?
Katy: That's hard. I guess it's still in her body, so it's her choice. Well, I don't know. You just can't tell people what to do with her kids.
Me: Can we tell people not to kill their kids?
Katy: Born or unborn?
Me: What's the difference?
Katy: There isn't one, but women should have a choice while it's in their body.
Me: Why? Does our location change who we are?
Katy: I don't know. I have to go.

University of Colorado Response Card- Gazrrang


Gazrrang: I'm pro-choice.
Me: Have you ever seen pictures like this?
Gazrrang: No, I have never seen these pictures. Will you tell me about these pictures?

I gave Gazrrang a tour of the Exhibit.

Me: So when do you think abortion should be allowed?
Gazrrang: Women should be allowed anytime.
Me: (pointing to fetal development chart) So, do you think abortion should be allowed during the third trimester?
Gazrrang: No, actually those look like babies. It should not be allowed after that. (pointing to 1 trimester)
Me: Why is abortion ok during the first trimester?
Gazrrang: It doesn't look like a human yet.
Me: If someone doesn't look human, can we kill him? What about disabled people?
Gazrrang: No, but those people can think.
Me: Why does that matter? Is it ok to kill someone who is in a coma?
Gazrrang: No, but it doesn't have a heartbeat.
Me: If it's growing, isn't it alive? And if it has human parents, isn't it human?
Gazrrang: Yeah, I guess the differences are irrelevant. You changed my mind. Do you change everyone's mind?
Me: No, but when people realize that abortion kills a human being, many are not OK with that.

University of Colorado Response Card- Erica


Erica: I was pro-choice until I saw these pictures.
Erica: I still wouldn't tell other people what to do, but I would never consider abortion after seeing this.

University of Colorado Response Card- Derek


Derek: I think it is OK to kill anyone.
Me: Wow.
Derek: Morals are relative.
Me: Do you think that there are any morals that are absolute?
Derek: No.
Me: What about rape?
Derek: Well, I guess rape is always wrong, but murder is never wrong.

University of Colorado Response Card- Chris

Chris: Can I ask you what you would do in a situation?
Me: OK.
Chris: OK, let's say that there is a train track that splits and it has five people tied onto one track and one person tied onto the other track. You have a lever to make the train switch tracks. What would you do?
Me: Is there any way to stop the train?
Chris: No.
Me: OK, I would switch the track to make it so that the train would go toward the 1 person instead of 5 people, because I could get one person off the train track much faster than I could get 5 people off... But if you are relating this to abortion, it's not very accurate. With abortion, you don't have to kill anyone. Also, these would be my children on the tracks. Also, I would be hiring the train driver and asking him to run over them.
Chris: Well, in the analogies, you have to kill someone.
Me: ...OK
Chris: Can we do another analogy? I like philosophy.
Me: Sure.
Chris: OK, let's say that you are a firefighter and you run into a burning building. There is a tray of 5 embryos and there is a 5 year old inside. Who do you save?
Me: And I can't save them all?
Chris: No.
Me: Well, honestly I would be naturally inclined to go after the five year old first, because she is probably saying "help me" and is easier to find. But I really believe that the unborn are valuable human beings like us and I think it is important to save them, too. Let me ask you a question. If there was a burning building with 5 newborns inside and a 5 year old, who would you save?
Chris: Hmm, that's hard. I would probably save the 5-year-old because it would be harder to watch a 5 year old die than some babies.
Me: OK, I'm not sure that I understand why it would be easier for you to watch babies die than a five year old...but to me, this seems like a more accurate analogy--how do I choose who gets to live? I think they are all people and deserve life. If you and that girl over there were both in a burning building, how do I choose who to save? I think you are both valuable.
Chris: Well I guess that was a good counter-analogy.
Me: OK, have you seen the Dark Knight?
Chris: Yes.
Me: Do you remember the boat scene?
Cris: Yes.
Me: OK, so there are the two boats- one full of "good people" and one full of criminals. Each boat has a detonator to blow up the other boat. They are told that if neither boat blows the other up by 11, the joker will blow them both up. So, it seems like a race of who will blow up the other boat first.
Chris: Right.
Me: Well, let's analyze this. Are the people guaranteed that if they push the button, they will be safe? NO! It could really detonate their own boat. Abortion is not a safe option either. You may think you are only ending someone else's life, but it could be very detrimental to yours as well.
Chris: Hmm
Me: If you remember in the Dark Knight, neither boat blew up the other boat and the joker got distracted, so no one had to die. Does anyone have to die with abortion? Is it really a question of us having to kill someone?
Chris: That actually makes a lot of sense. I guess no one HAS TO die. I wouldn't have an abortion.
Me: Why not?
Chris: Because I am responsible...I wouldn't kill my child.
Me: Do you think it is OK for other people to kill their children?
Chris: Not if they are born.
Me: What do you think about partial birth abortion?
Chris: I'm against that.
Me: What about 3rd trimester abortions?
Chris: I'm not sure. I don't think it should be allowed once the child is viable.
Me: Would you say it is ok to kill the ones that can't live on their own yet?
Chris: I guess so.
Me: Is it OK to kill other people who can't live on their own? What about someone who is dependent upon dialysis for their kidneys?
Chris: Yes, that is "let die" not "kill."
Me: Ok, let's say that there is another train track that splits and it has 5 dependent people on one side and 1 person who is completely able to live on his own on the other side. Who do you save?
Chris: Good question. That's hard. I would want to save them all. They are all people. Well, maybe I would save the 5 dependent.
Me: Well, the good thing is, you can save them all. You don't have to kill anyone.


Chris said that he didn't think that the Exhibit itself was very effective. But, it did cause him to come out in the freezing cold rain and talk to me for quite a while. When he left, he said, "I have a lot to think about."

University of Colorado Response Card- Cameron


Cameron: Do you know when life begins?
Me: Do you mean biological life?
Cameron: Yes.
Me: Well, if it's growing, isn't it alive...and if it has human parents, isn't it human? So isn't it a living human?
Cameron: From the beginning?
Me: Yes, after that, it will just continue to develop the rest of its life. All it needs is the right environment and nutrition-- the same things we need.
Cameron: I'm a Christian, so I knew I should be against this, but I never formed my own opinion until today. I didn't realize that 1st trimester abortions were wrong, but they are.

University of Colorado Response Card- Annie


Annie: You better be careful so you don't get arrested.
Me: What do you mean?
Annie: Ron Paul supporters are now on government security watch lists.
Me: Yes, I've heard that they were adding pro-life activists to the list as well.
Annie: Be careful out here.
Me: What do you think about abortion?
Annie: I am a biologist. I think it is wrong after first trimester.
Me: Oh, that's cool that you are a biologist! Where would you say that the unborn is human?
Annie: That's hard to answer. It is human from the beginning, obviously. But it's not a person until the end of the first trimester.
Me: It's a human, but not a person? I don't think I understand. How could someone be a human but not a person?
Annie: You know what I mean...
Me: I think I do, but why should there be any distinction between a human and a person?

University of Colorado Response Card- Allison


Allison had just signed "yes" to the poll that asked, "Should Abortion Remain Legal?"

Me: Do you mean that abortion should be allowed through all 9 months?
Allison: No, not after first trimester.
Me: Why not?
Allison: Your body could miscarry on its own during the first trimester. It's like normal.
Me: Can't a body miscarry later in a pregnancy as well?
Allison: Hmm, yeah I guess so.
Me: Would you say that there is a difference between someone dying naturally and killing someone?
Allison: I don't know.

April Newsletter

Here is my APRIL NEWSLETTER!!!!

Thursday, June 18, 2009

The University of Georgia- Athens

I'm sorry that I am JUST NOW posting these stories...

Here are the pictures and transcripts of my conversations with UGA students (Late March- Early April)



Some of our team at a UGA training


Doing a pro-choice/pro-life role play with Catherine at the training

Training participants practicing together

Catherine left her job as a sign language interpreter to work for JFA...she was able to use her signing skills at UGA to give a tour to a deaf student!

Dialoguing with students







Some people were glad that we came!

Our team plus some awesome volunteers!

The team!